Kumlien's Iceland
Gull or Thayer's Gull?
The following are digital images taken on
1/30/00 from the boat-ramp on Water St. in Newburyport (next to
Joppa Park) of a white-winged gull. The bird was about 0.5 mi
away. The poor image quality is also partially attributable to
shooting the images through a spotting scope using a new digital
camera. Note that several observers watched this bird for at least
30 minutes, on the surface of the water, walking (pink legs),
and in flight, but we failed to reach consensus on an identity.
We all had better looks than indicated in these images. What do
you think? Let me know by e-mail.

In these first two images, note that
this bird is a "white-winged gull", with a medium sized
yellow bill, pronounced dark area around or at the eye, and some
dark in the primaries.

This image shows the pattern of the small
amount of dark on the primaries, and demonstrates that the shade
of the dark feathering is a charcoal gray - not light gray, or
black.

So, what do you call a (roughly) Herring
Gull-sized gull with a small amount of charcoal in the primaries?
Kumlien's Iceland Gull, which would be a reasonable bird to find
at this time of year (but should have a yellow eye and lighter
primaries?) or Thayer's Gull which would be unusual at any time
in Massachusetts (has a dark eye but the primaries should be darker?)
or some hybrid or just an aberrant individual?
Several of us noticed that more than
just the eye was dark - the area around the eye was (at least)
shadowed, which should be obvious in these images. Harrison (Seabirds
An Identification Guide, Plate 62, 224X) shows a dark wash around
the eye in the one painting of a Kumlien's (but he shows the upper
wing as lighter than the above images.)
Voting:
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Kumlien's Iceland |
Thayer's |
Darned if I know |
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unanimous |
0 |
0 |
Comments: (quoted
from Massbird posts and from direct communications to me)
- "gentle, rounded look to the head,
the gray primaries, the palish gray back, and the longish look
to the wings all add up to Iceland Gull (Kumlien's). Thayer's
is darker, stubbier, more blocky-headed, and has darker primary
tips. The darkish eye (how dark?) is actually one way the Brits
separate Kumlien's from nominate glaucoides Iceland." -
Mark Szantyr
- "I put it down to being a dark
Iceland-type. I certainly could be wrong, but it was sort of
just a continuation of the features between the full adult and
the almost adult we'd just seen. Of course, Thayer's is probably
really Iceland anyway." - Geoff LeBaron
- "According to folks like Dick
Veit, ALL east coast Iceland Gulls are considered to be Kumlien's
(unless proven in the hand to be otherwise?). There is of course
tremendous variation among these buggers, and the real light
ones will resemble the nominate race and the real dark ones will
resemble the Thayer's race (I persist in calling Thayer's a race
of the Iceland). When a CA birder (may have been that Dunn fellow)
was taken along the coast of Maine and shown all the various
local Kumlien type Iceland Gulls, his comment was that just about
all of them would be called Thayers in CA!" - Soheil n Zendeh
- "I'm not sure if this is the same individual or not,
but the following link is an image of an Iceland Gull I photographed
in Salisbury in late November in the parking lot. It was fairly
tame so I got a good shot of it. Note the relatively dark iris
and relatively dark tips to the primaries. From what little I
understand, most (if not all?) of the Iceland Gulls we see around
here are kumlien's with varying amounts of darkness to the primary
tips in adult birds. Most should have yellow iris's, but this
isn't the first Iceland Gull I've seen with a dark iris. I don't
have Peter Grant's Gull ID book with me right now, but I believe
he states that a significant percentage of Iceland Gulls can
have dark iris's." - Steve Mirick
- "I too was part of the congregation at the seawall on
Sunday and my best guess at the time (and I confess I have not
had to time to research it any further) was a Kumlien's. While
the primaries had some darker feathers, none looked black to
me. Most looked gray to my eye. Also, I wasnt sure if Kumlien's
could have a dark eye. I mentioned the gull to Steve Grinley
when I stopped by the store, and he confirmed that some Kumlien's
do have dark eyes. So, that would be where I'd cast my vote."
- Linda Ferraresso
- "For those of you who have all your old "Birding"
magazines, there is a great discussion on plumage variations
in "Kumlien's" Iceland Gull from the October, 1991
issue written by Kevin Zimmer. A couple of facinating points
that the author made are as follows:
- "kumlieni and thayeri are now reported to interbreed"
- "It is increasingly clear that L. g. glaucoides, L.
g. kumlieni, L.thayeri approximate a cline of increasing pigmentation
from east to west, in spite of the disjunct breeding range of
the glaucoides with respect to the other two forms....there appears
to be no clean break in any of the morphological characters that
might be used to distinguish these forms in the field"
- The nominate subspecies L. g. glaucoides "status in
North America is supported by only a few specimens (mostly from
northeastern Canada), and some of these are disputed." [in
other words we probably ONLY see kumlien's gull in North America!]
- "A small percentage (less than 20%, possibly much lower
than that) of Iceland Gulls do indeed have brown eyes as adults"
- "contrary to statements by Grant (1986), the primary
pattern in kumlieni in Definitive Basic is extremely variable....a
very few birds (possibly intergrades) seem to have genuinely
blackish primaries of a shade that is not noticeably different
from that in Thayer's"
- "Iceland Gulls of the subspecies L. g. kumlieni ehibit
considerable variation in most characters generally considered
important to field identification" - Steve Mirick
- "Friends--On the basis of my limited experience with
Thayer's, I'd have to argue against the 1/30 bird from N'Port.
Thayer's is not a white-winged gull. The wingtips should be saturated
black, not simply very dark gray approaching black. Kevin Phillips'
..Birding.. article illustrates this. The gray tone of the wingtips
in Kumlien's is, as he and others report, very highly variable,
as previous correspondents have noted. But I know of no authority
stating that the wingtips are jet black. Eye color is indicative
but notoriously unreliable, as has been said. A dark eye doesn't
mean you have a Thayer's. Again in my limited experience with
Thayer's, I would say that the distribution of black, white and
gray in the outer primaries is very distinctive. And the the
distribution shows up in folded wing. Compare the winter adult
primaries closest to the tertials on the standing adults in Nat
Geo on page 204. The difference is quite striking, whatever the
depth of color saturation. Full adult late winter (eastern) Thayer's
is a strikingly beautiful bird (as is full adult winter Iceland).
When you get one, you will know you have one. Enjoy. On Kumlien's
vs. nominate Iceland: Zimmer's article is 10 years old. We've
learned a lot and we're continuing to learn a lot. I think we
may be getting close to a reliably speculative approach to separating
Kumlien's and nominate." - Jim Barton
- "Having looked at my references tonight, I agree that
it is most likely Kumlien's based primarily on the very light
color in the primaries. Steve Mirick's post tonight raises interesting
questions, but I still favor Kumlien's." - Steve Moore